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Chesler has written a critique of the writing of western feminists about the rape of the journalist in Egypt.  It is one of the best I have read here. 

Chesler's "UPDATE: According to today’s Daily Mail, (February 21, 2011), Logan was also whipped and beaten with flag poles and repeatedly  [pinched] in “sensitive” places on her body. She required five days in an American hospital. Of course, the psychological trauma is more serious than the physical injuries. It always is in cases of simple rape. Public gang-rape by hundreds of men who are beating and whipping you as they curse you both as a “Jew” and as an “Israeli”–and when you believe that you are about to die, goes far beyond the usual complex psychological trauma."

Chesler UPDATE:  Amanda Marcotti said, in response to the above linked post, that Chesler's mind was destroyed by racism. [Yawn]  In 2011 "racism" is what "man-hater" was in 1974.  The difference is that now the epitaphs come from women who  self identify as feminists.  Didn't Marcotti do that racist comic book?  I could be wrong but what hubris if I am correct.  Anyway, you know Phyllis answered back and here it is--We are all Laura.
Also  read: The Damned don't Apologize from the Third Estate.  In a subsequent post, Follow up on Nir Rosen , TE links to a Diane Rehm radio show on sexual assault of military women.  I heard that show and it is riveting.  Not a bummer but filled with information you need to know.  Also listen to her show on women and the constitution - it is so informative it could be a law school class.

To restore your feminist faith read Widdershins here on the gang rape of the journalist.  She has a link to the most excellent  post of all at Skydancer here. You must read Skydancer.  See also Dear John on Random Babble.

Now is the time for the US State Dept to act to influence the new Egyptian constitution as they  did in Afghanistan.  Because I cannot link specifically to one post on Echidne I reprint the whole post here.  If you go to the page I linked to on Echidne, there is a great post on the gang rape under this post on the Egypt reconstruction process which I reprint in full.

"After The Egyptian Revolution: Where Are The Women?"
"I wrote an earlier post about the way revolutions tend to leave women behind after a while, and I am concerned that this is happening in Egypt. Women did participate in the protests, often at a high level of risk. But now:

The lack of women on a committee charged with amending Egypt's constitution for elections post-Mubarak casts doubt over whether the country can develop into a true democracy, a group of activists said on Wednesday.

The group of over 60 non-governmental organisation and activists said the committee, which is presided over by a respected retired judge known for his independence, had begun work on Wednesday by "marginalising female legal experts."

The committee includes one senior Muslim Brotherhood legal expert in an unprecedented move to include the Islamist opposition group, but the panel did not give details on how it selected its members.

"Signatures to this statement have received with great concern the list of committee members as there is no participation from female experts, which is unacceptable marginalisation of half of society," the statement said.

"We also question the standards used to select the members of the committee," the group said, although adding they supported the military's efforts in moving to a democracy.

The role of women in Egyptian politics has been limited, with few occupying ministerial and parliamentary seats. Their role in the judiciary has been the subject of wide debate in recent years.

Last year, a top court ruled that women should be allowed to serve on the State Council, a court that tries cases involving the government and which had resisted including female judges.

Mubarak appointed Tahany el-Gibali, Egypt's first woman judge, to the Constitutional Court in 2003. Conservative judges campaigned to stop what they regarded as an exception from becoming a trend.
So the Muslim Brotherhood is included, even if as a token member, but women are not.
I don't expect miracles. A country which debates whether women can serve as judges has a long way to go. But still."
by echidne / 2/17/2011 04:17:00 PM

*Egyptian priestess art by Karen at


Blogger JaneDoeThreads said...

You know the reaction of the majority of feminists in this nation makes me want to VOMIT, including the Echnide post, seriously, it makes me want to vomit. Then days later the usual slamming the right wing feminist for blaming women--here's the deal,

for Weeks, the majority of these feminist blogs were all creaming in their pants over these Egyptian thugs, and it's NOT like they don't know [or they flat out don't give a Damn] about the horrors women are Forced to live with, for generations in Egypt as well as other nations, and a bit of 'well let's hope there might be some democracy for women, wow I see ten sackcloth covered oppressed women right there in the crowd, that must mean they are Liberating', I mean, good grief,

hell going outside for Them is liberating, what PRISONERS DO, you know, take an hour walk in the prison yard. Except These women walk with their bodies already assaulted with FGMs, their marriages usually forced as they are sold, like chattel, many to older men like daddy age, other than the Elite rich few they are mostly illiterate, saddled down with too many children and living with daily violence, etc., and That is the more PROGRESSIVE side of Islam,

it's far worse in most other Sharia law nations. So no, what really Infuriates me is that these feminists are what the media focuses on, leaving the impression that All LEFT or RADICAL feminists are cultural relativists or apologetic s of the Islamic East and to Sharia Law. WRONG, those of us who Work opposing the rise of Islamization [fact] and the very real threat to pushing All women back to B.C. death hell, were not shocked to hear the horrid news of what happened to Lara, not shocked at all--in fact, what IS shocking is hearing stupid feminist actually Thinking the criminal thugs would ever be arrested, Hell, rape of non Muslim [not even Muslim women if you want to get to the nitty gritty of it] is even a CRIME in these nations--yet western feminists, will pawn all over these male asswipes,

because it's just so cool to be anti-semite and revolutionary--so if one takes one for the team, why it's just all in stride, after all, Western men rape too. Yes they do--but oh how they forget, we do not Stone rape victims here or cane them to death, with 100 lashings, or whip women with 80 lashings for the CRIME OF WEARING PANTS--recent in Sudan,

no, NO, I am Fed up, with the apologetic s ass kissing of B.C. theocratics who Kill women for their 'god', on a Daily basis and with Legal Impunity, sanctioned under their B.C. religious laws. Phylis, you, a FEW and I do mean a FEW others, are the ONLY ones, who speak Truth to this matter,

as for the rest of the feminists, they'll soon find out, like the women in Chechnya, what it is, to be told, wear the veil or lose the head. Yes, I DO blame, the twisting of Truth to appease the brothahood of the far left/left, for the contribution of denial and ignorance, that yes, had a lot to do, with the decision to send Lara into a situation that those who KNOW what the environments truly are--like for women. The denial and blatant relativist bullshit, is not protecting women,

it's aiding in their future enslavement--no more will I have tolerance for these traitors to womankind. They are the equivalent to the pro-porn/prostitute lobby, in my book. Why they bother with any other issues is beyond me--they might as well just don the burka and be done with it.

one fed up feminist, Jane

1:46 PM, February 24, 2011  
Blogger Greenconsciousness said...

So good to hear from you - I worry about you -- I went over to your blog and saw you were wrestling with the god thing and since I am not part of that, I did not comment. Listen, WHY Echidne? She is saying exactly the right thing. Right now, we must put the pressure on for women to be included. If you scroll down you will see I am also for the Egyptian revolution and all the people's revolutions.

Yes, there are dangers -- look how long our revolution took to include women. But this is the start OUT of theocracy. This is very good. Exactly what we hoped would happen.

Now blame only OUR government -- please read my previous post on Egypt - we have the resources to teach equality if Obama had the motivation to do so -- we need to be in there -- we need to pass the IVAWA here at home -- don't give up. Change takes generations. I will get the link to my post on the Egyptian revolution.

4:53 PM, February 24, 2011  
Blogger Greenconsciousness said...

Oh geez I wrote a lot on Egypt -- go to the column on the main page on the right and you will see all my posts. Flo Kennedy used to say that people who had shit piled on them all their lives do not smell good when uncovered. Put your anger to push our state dept and administration to get into these middle east countries to support the women. Remember all of us got help from somewhere to become what we are. Now we must put pressure on our government to go into these emerging systems and work for gender democracy and equal rights.

4:59 PM, February 24, 2011  
Blogger Greenconsciousness said...

5:01 PM, February 24, 2011  
Blogger Greenconsciousness said...

Well I was born a slave in 1945 and had a butcher abortion in the 1960s. I saw things change. A Lot! You and I raised consciousness about women's conditions in the Mideast during the war and were met with hatred and name calling and banishment but things did change. Consciousness was raised.
Many women see the connections now.

It is long and hard and lonely and requires more self control than I have. But we stumble on and try to get over the anger at the insults. Remember our caste sisters and how they suffer. Don't give up. Keep your eyes on the prize.

But is it fine to just nourish the self -- take a break - work in the garden - cook a good meal. Don't feel obligated. I am sending you an email.

7:01 PM, February 24, 2011  
Blogger Greenconsciousness said...

I have to send it to Natasha at wami as that is the only email address I have.

7:04 PM, February 24, 2011  
Blogger Greenconsciousness said...

ok that is no good so I will lleave a comment on Jane doe threads

7:27 PM, February 24, 2011  

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