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Palin on Polar Bears: "Grossly Misinformed or Intentionally Misleading"

John McCain has been distancing himself from his previous championing of climate action as he tries to appeal to conservatives. Well, he's certainly keeping that theme with his vice presidential pick.

Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin has been a champion of a different fight -- the one to try to keep the polar bear from being protected by the Endangered Species Act:

"She's either grossly misinformed or intentionally misleading, and both are unbecoming," said Kassie Siegel of the Center for Biological Diversity. "Alaska deserves better."

Siegel said it was unconscionable for Palin to ignore overwhelming evidence of global warming's threat to sea ice, the polar bear's habitat.

"Even the Bush administration can't deny the reality of global warming," she said. "The governor is aligning herself and the state of Alaska with the most discredited, fringe, extreme viewpoints by denying this."
With this pick, McCain has completely turned his back on his past leadership on global warming.

UPDATE 1:47pm - Much more on Palin's sorry environmental record over at Gristmill.
UPDATE 2:13pm - Palin today tells a conservative website she doesn't believe scientists who say global warming is man-made.
posted by The Green Miles @ Friday, August 29, 2008

UPDATE from Gristmill:

Here are some quick snapshots of Palin's record on issues related to energy and the environment:

Opposed a statewide ballot initiative to prohibit or restrict new mining operations that could affect salmon in the state's streams and rivers
Has pushed to build a natural-gas pipeline from Alaska's North Slope
Got the state legislature to pass a bill to provide each Alaskan $1,200 to help with energy costs
Sued the Interior Department over its decision to list the polar bear as a threatened species
Has proposed eliminating Alaska's gas tax

Has pushed to open Arctic National Wildlife Refuge to drilling
Has created a committee to forge Alaska's climate-change strategy, and has made Alaska an observer (but not a member) of the Western Climate Initiative
Opposes a windfall profits tax on oil companies
Was the ethics commissioner of the Alaska Gas and Oil Conservation Commission from 2003 to 2004
Lifelong angler and hunter
Husband is an oil production operator for BP on Alaska's North Slope
Started Alaska's Petroleum Systems Integrity Office, an oversight and maintenance agency for the state's oil and gas equipment, facilities, and infrastructure
Chairs the Interstate Oil and Gas Compact Commission, a multistate panel "that promotes the conservation and efficient recovery of domestic oil and natural gas resources while protecting health, safety and the environment"
Believes intelligent design should be taught along with evolution in science classes
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Blogger Greenconsciousness said...

I hate them all too and I am going to write in Hillary AND join the New Democrat Party -see post below this one. I listened to the radio show tonight and called in - it was 2 hours - you can go to the website and replay it. Take courage -- my love to your birds and you - there is love with your friends and many of us in the same boats -- hopefully we will find some joy in this struggle

10:13 PM, August 29, 2008  
Blogger Matthew said...

Where did you find that idiotic drivel that you posted on the Red Queen of self-pity's blog/ All that bullshit about puma's whining and sniveling? That is pathetic. Has there ever been a more marginalized personality cult? Why can't those brain dead idiots let go of their foolish and failed pipe dream and get busy? Is it because they would prefer to whine but do nothing instead of getting to work with Obama and changing our country for the better? Victims are all alike. They can only exist within the illusion that they are being victimized.

1:47 AM, August 30, 2008  
Blogger Natasha said...

Well, it gets worse, Palin is not only pro-choice, she voted against abortion [or debated] EVEN IN CASES


Now, THATS misogynist to the extreme and far as I'm concerned,

throw a nihab on her and she could be Matteson who spoke at the DNC, same damn shit.

Just under a different god.

Yea I saw the news about the new Dem party, but right now, I have So little hope, NOT if its the same people who are just fawning all over McCain's choice because ya know, its a woman and a slam at Obama, somewhere the issues

got lost but I saw warnings of that when they were discussing the marches in Denver months back and Immediately the men jumped in and said, "Oh, NOOOO lets don't make this only about women's rights lets make it about Hilary only"

and the women caved.

Oh we'll slip in feminism in there many of them said [and the higher ups of the whole Rise Hilary Rise] and I'll never, never forget it....

then, month later, it was ONLY about Obama and MSNBC and Pelosi and then the right wing got in and then it was all the other, but the MEN really steered that, MEN on both the right and the left because

bottom line, Hilary scared men, SHE CHALLENGED PATRIARCHY and people are misogynist [and extreme capitalist] in this country and they aren't at that consciousness to really overthrow those hierarchies,

and the horrible thing is, you know and I know,

the poor now, its going to get worse, and more will become poor And if McCain and Palin get in--its going to be Reagan but worse all over again...because of WHO is behind Palin, and That is key,

and it IS the far right Christian Taliban types.

AND WOMEN ARE GOING TO SUFFER and if they think its bad now under Bush, Bush is going to seem like a liberal in four years and That is tragic,

but thing is, it would have been Just as bad if ole Barky gets in too--just under a different god/ideology,

and truth is, feminism, other than a rare and I do mean rare few, is so dead in this country and I have been reading the warnings that were put out By both the right and left in Europe back in 2004 and they said,

Islam is sweeping Europe and will dominate because OF THE ABSENCE OF FEMINISM because one,

the population explosion of Islam AND two, no one to challenge Sharia and I also found out,

the Muslim communities in UK have already been using Sharia over one intervenes because of fear and


The real demon here is that there ISN'T a widespread consciousness, oh, just because MSN attacked Hilary--but look,

Media has been objectifying women for years, no one protested, oh, a few complaints on a few blogs but thats nothing,

but see when the media AND THE RIGHT attacked Hilary they attacked something Women cared about, especially those women who invested their time and money and effort in Hilary's campaign...

but I don't think the Consciousness is or was there as much as it needed to be because IF it was,

we wouldn't see Hilary supporters all dancing with glee Just because hey, ole McCain picked a pretty young woman who has a career...but never mind that she's more anti-woman in policy than

Maggie Thatcher.

Palin to me is like whats her name [sorry late and tired as hell], of Jordan,

who in all her wealth and looks--says,

honor killings are not that big of a deal and they are just 'culture' and 'its the same as domestic violence'

same type of misogynist and the thing is, Palin is a token but a powerful one because she really is FUNDAMENTALIST --

but Obama and the left can't really say shit and Why?

Because they paved the way..thats why and they, they did this...their whole selling out women for race nationalists and Islamists and pedophiles who love Islam in the far left--

they wanted feminism out of the way so now they got it,

and NOW we are going to have four years of Christian type of Talibanism.

Hell Obama didn't lose--he handed the victory to McCain on a silver platter--if I didn't know any better I would think this entire election was just one big fraud mock show.

And she might be pro-guns but I'm sure, if a woman used a gun to defend herself she'd be all for the death penalty for that woman...

the Right is all for screaming about protecting the virtue of women but dare a woman protect herself and they'll throw her ass in prison and lock the key--

just like they did with that one woman who killed her Christian preacher husband who beat and raped her till she bled for years.

This is why I can't work with the right, can't stand them, to me, its like,

working with the right is the equivalent of a Muslim woman fighting for women's rights and for reform in Islam, working with the Taliban,

its futile. Political suicide really,

The Greens had a good platform with Two strong African America women--but their policy [similar to Hearts on that whole lets have tea with Osama and talk peace]

is just ludicrous---and THATS why they stay out there in la la land and are NOT takin serious, their 'solutions' are just Too extreme,

If they just moved more pragmatic on solutions to foreign policy rather than this extreme 'lets just do away with all arms and live in peace with our global neigbhors' well,

thats all good and all BUT ITS NOT REALISTIC,

but I think--we are going to enter into a world of religious war...

nationalism and extreme chauvinism on both sides.

My family, has been moving off the grid slowly and becoming more naturalist, and we have the means to live on the road if need be...totally off the grid.

[and economically it may come down to people not having a hell of a lot of choice]

but one thing in preparing, is learning to live and survive without being in this fucked up system, and it means letting go of so much materialism but I think, its getting to that more and more that if you truly want Freedom,

its going to come down to that...

I do know, a little about the situ in Alaska because for one, we discussed moving up there and looked into it but too,

the reports from those who are more free spirit or unschoolers or greens,

Alaska is a frickin police is in All your business and its chauvinist as shit to women--rapes of Indian women there are in high numbers,

its like militia good ole boys club up there.

Think--Wyoming, seriously on That level---Palin is in a lot of ways like Cheney on the oil issues,

scary. They start drilling in Alaska, thats it, environmentally wise that is it..

and I DO think, yes, get OUT from being dependent on that fricking Saudi oil BUT,

what pisses me off--the right wing 'success' lovers, won't for a minute even consider walking to the store two blocks away, oh Hell no, got to drive that gas hog SUV

and then the outrageous two story homes that take tons to heat...

but they givin that up? Oh hell no,

they want their wealth and privilege and security too,


but something else--they think Obama is bad...just wait, four years of more Bush--with four more years of the economy going to shit--forget Dem party,

by That time, the hard core left will have enough so pissed off that they can put in a Chavez or Castro to run and the next time--

they might actually pull it off.

And having worked in the far left, I can assure you, thats Exactly what they are doing--all the protests, etc., thats just to 'inform' or to create awareness, the Real strategy is letting enough of the middle class slowly wither and suffer and then, drive that misery and when it gets to that point,

all the MSNBC crap won't matter, because it will be a blood bath.

Maybe not in four years, but its coming...they'll keep pushing the poor into a corner and creating more poor with a rising Islamist migration here,

and eventually that dam is going to burst.

Obama was just a primer, because this country is not ready yet for that type of overthrow--but in four years,

if McCain and Palin go Taliban fundie Christian on this country--

they might as well prepare a podium in four years for the next Stalin American style.

OR for another Hitler.

Because both parties--the 'doctrination of the minds of the masses' is leaning towards that,

pre-WWII Germany, right here in America. Then it was a fear of communism that moved people to support Hitler,

today its a fear of Islamism and/or communism that is moving people...

but tell this to people, they don't see it. Their knowlege of history [real understanding] is infantile,

myopic thinking. Especially where the environment is concerned--

getting closer to doomsday all the time. Tragic thing though, is so few see it.

3:19 AM, August 30, 2008  
Blogger Greenconsciousness said...

YOU ARE WRONG ABOUT PUMA BEING ALL MEN -- IT IS WOMEN. I DEMAND YOU GO AND LISTEN TO THE RADIO SHOW LAST NIGHT. I called in after about an hour. You will hear women just like yourself strategizing and tired and hurt but wanting to push on. It is easy to criticize those who act but we should refrain now and just criticize the AssHoles. I know this is hard and I am fed up with a lot of organizations as you are but I want you to hear these women before you judge them.

I will not vote for BO's sexism and ageism and corrupted process. I have listened to this same BS all my life about not throwing my vote away and how bad the Repubs will be for women.

The Dems who gave us BO have been the majority in Congress for 4 years and they have not given us Choice, even equal pay for equal work much less environmental protection. Then they organized a selfish and stupid sexist campaign to force their choice for pres and vice president. Now I am suppose to swallow hard and reward them with money and pensions for all the men ops who trashed Hillary and women like me? Bitter old uneducated women? Don't even go there because my anger at the corrupt process, the rules and manipulations which trashed our voting rights is global.

Not one Dem party operative stood for Hillary. Look at the repub ops on TV defending Palin. Angry, calling the media sexist, calling out specific broadcasters, shaming them, not afraid to use the word sexist. Compare that to the non defense of women by the Democrats. Yes, BO will be just as bad if not worse than any repub because he says what we want to hear but WILL DO NOTHING BUT WORK FOR HIS WALL STREET BOSSES. Nothing for the environment, nothing for choice, nothing about ending wars.

I don't give a shit about consequences. It is a lie! The consequences will be the same for women regardless of who is elected. At least under Bush Islamic fascism got dealt with by our soldiers.

Ever since the Clintons, every single vote for a democrat was a wasted vote.

I will write in Hillary, the best person for the job.

This is the link to hear the radio show. Don't talk about them without actually listening to them.

You go there and click on Aug 29th show and you will hear the people you think you know. Then come back here and tell me what you think.

9:31 AM, August 30, 2008  
Blogger Greenconsciousness said...

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Chuck made the banner you wanted for foster Parrots !!!!

10:12 AM, August 30, 2008  
Blogger Natasha said...


well, I wrote last night really tired, the remark about the PUMA and other pro-Hilary who were all in glee over Palin was due to the many blogs I was reading,

I scroll through them daily and even today--its like, Hilary Who? Now its Palin and

I don't know, I'm not optimistic thats for sure...and I did find out,

the group of prolifers that Palin is very involved with are NOT just anti-abortion IN THE EXTREMES AND I DO MEAN EXTREMES, even in case of death, its hell with the mother and fetus comes first,

but they are opposed to BIRTH CONTROL too though they say 'its outside of their legal scope right now',

EXTREMISM, and THAT IS SCARY because that to me is just one step right there with the forced marriages which is forced pregnancy of girls-women.

I'm actually a little SHOCKED at what I am seeing on these blogs,

Look I don't like Obama either and yea, not just for women's rights but the POOR women in this country have been stabbed in the back numerous times by the Dems--why I am independent,

neither party represents me or most women like me.

But, as much as I deplore Obama's politics, I was surprised to see

just how quick so many women that I have been reading for months now, just toss all Hilary fought for aside and now its,

well there is too many radicals in the dems and I'm thinking, OK, so, what now? Are we going hard core fundie Christian now?

But then, you know something, it Dawned on me today...

can we Really be that surprised at how Easy women [generally speaking now] can just toss aside reproductive rights and Other issues that concern women when it suits them?

Look at how few feminists stand up militantly against Islamism...

and it reminded me of something I read a while back about how religions compliment each other patriarchal wise and you know, they do, in fact, religion will be the easy access for Sharia to get in,

because it will be 'under that freedom of religion' act that it will happen...besides, they [religions] might not like each other but when One can keep women subjugated, it makes it a bit easier for the others to keep Their women subjugate, if Anything,

to put those women back into the bedrooms and kitchens with child--to build up the nation-state to ward off the enemy...

which, ok I'll play devil's advocate here, just say,

OK that isn't too bad, women just forced to be pregnant, but if thats not bad enough--its then,

the reality, that ok, your job is done, you spit out the kid but don't ask us to support you or that child--exploit you, yes, abuse you,yes,

care about you,

hell no.

And in fact I confronted yet another remark by a man with his women are parasites [poor women with kids]...

but those same men, want women under their thumb having their babies and While I totally disagree with NARAL on their support of Obama,

they are dead correct that the anti-woman and anti-choice fanatics, don't care about children,

or women

its fetuses. thats its...

and I am personally not for abortion--but I don't think any one has the right TO FORCE PREGNANCY,

it reminds me of Romania under communism, all those babies in the orphanages [in fact think I'll do some coverage on that] but,

those kids--emotional detachment syndrome but hey, it was forced, and women were abandoning babies by the hundreds.

Those kids today are street kids, messed up, many of them trafficked,

horrid and I do mean horrid stories.

I've lost faith in women, I mean, I don't know, I just think, its dismal...I hope this will pass,

I'll keep fighting because I believe so strongly, but deep down,

hope has died. And not because so much about Obama or Hilary or Palin...but a lot of things.

A lot of things has lead up to this conclusion...

Anyway, I am going to also do some writing on environment and animal rights--I am reading over the animal rights and the lack of in Islam,

will be soon writing on that. I need a break from this whole election crap anyway, LOL.

11:57 PM, August 30, 2008  
Blogger Natasha said...

Thank you Chuck and thank you Green Consciousness,

Oh, which, I have TONS of emails I have to go through on my parrot mail account And

it seems there is right now some legislation being pushed through during the election focus that is not good for animal welfare,

so I think I am going to focus on those too for a while.

Election day, my vote is no vote...or write in Hilary, but,

I am taking that day and working strictly on animal rights and something for parrots--not sure yet but working on it.

There Is a good site btw, about the saving of birds in Iraq, I have it somewhere on my archives,

will send it to you, haven't checked to see whats been going on there for a while but there Was an environmental and animal rights and conservation that one GI started.


12:12 AM, August 31, 2008  
Blogger Greenconsciousness said...

CAN YOU LISTEN to a radio show?


Saturday Night, August 30, 2008, 9-11 pm ET, tune in to “Murphy and Friends” on No We Won’t Radio. Murphy will be discussing the importance of PUMA staying united as a block of voters. She will unveil The New Democratic Party and with its Platform

Read "the party's over" on my blog(greenconsciousness)

8:54 AM, August 31, 2008  
Blogger Greenconsciousness said...

I am personally for abortion and I think the world would be better off if 40% of the people who mindlessly breed or have children to trap a provider would abort instead.

I had a butcher abortion before it was legal. Then I was an underground abortion counselor. That is why I am not voting for McCain.

But I am disgusted with the Dem majority for 4 years which did nothing for abortion rights but made the ability to get an abortion rare while Medicaid and Insurance won't fund abortion but fund Viagra Now Hillary Clinton has a petition See: "Democratic Wings" to fight HHS attempts to label contraception as abortion so they don't have to fund contraception.

And all the Dem AHs who were trying to blackmail us with Roe are no where to be seen. Only Hillary fights on.

I am writing in Hillary for president. and joining the New Democrat PUMA party

9:04 AM, August 31, 2008  

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